L: What country are you originally from?
V: I was born and raised in Mexico.
L: How would you describe your life there?
V: It was unique and you know at that point even though we were lacking a lot of stuff, a lot of the basic stuff, to me it didn’t seem like it was like that because everybody was lacking stuff, and I didn’t know any better. Like when there was no food, um other people didn’t have food so I never saw like somebody who had enough food so to me it was normal to not have food. Or like not being able to wear shoes um was normal because other kids didn’t have shoes or you know things like that, just playing in the dirt with nothing or not having toys it was normal because I didn’t know anyone else who had toys so it was just like that I mean now if you look back because now you can go back to another lifestyle you see like oh my god you know like I was really poor and I did not have so many things but when you were in that situation and you didn’t know any better I would say it was a very happy and joyful time, you know? It was good.
L: Good. Um…what are some of your most prominent memories?
V: Oh, I will say there are a few categories haha like in school um I remember um I was into school at a really early age. I was not even four years old, and there was no preschool and my mom didn’t know what to do basically with me because she needed to do a lot of work, farm work. Ad she had my baby brother, so to have a toddler and then to have a baby it was like a lot of work so she sent me to a school and I remember doing what they call the pine tree because I didn’t know like, I didn’t know how to write or anything so they just gave me a pencil and they said “you know you make the lines like this…start small and then get them bigger and you’re going to draw a pine tree. And then your arm or your hand is gonna get loose and you’re going to be able to write.” Or you can do like inverted pine trees so you can start big and you can go like small and then you’ll have an inverted pine tree. But that was from school and then we had this uh teacher who used to get like really mad and he used to spank everybody because we didn’t know how to read or write. And I remember him like always pulling my ears and pulling my hair from right here and then like the side burns and then of course like I would dry and then I would try to clean my nose with my had and of course like all of my stuff from the nose I would like rub it on my cheeks and he would go like “You are so nasty” and then he would hit me more for doing that but it just made it worse so those are the memories from school that I had and then we had another teacher that he used to have like a really big ring and he used to put it in like his knuckle and he would hit us on the head with the knuckle and he had the ring because we didn’t know how to read and write and so those are basically the memories that I got from school. I mean it was—and we used to play a lot with other kids so that was fun. We had the fun part and then uh we didn’t know how to um they were not really good at teaching you how to read or write and some of them just didn’t care if you learned or not. You know it’s like ‘I’ll come, I’ll do my hours and then I’ll get my paycheck at the end of the month and I’m good.’ Um, but my grandfather he saw that I was not learning like I was supposed to so he started teaching me how to read and write but since we didn’t have paper he used to do it on the sand. He used to just like be like “hey come over here” and then be like “ what is this letter” and he would write it with a stick and then he would like erase it with his foot and then he would write another one. Or he would say “what’s this plus this or what’s this plus this or what’s this minus this or what’s this times this” and that’s how I learned how to read and how to write—not properly but at least how to write and how to add and subtract and multiply. I did not learn how to divide because my grandfather didn’t know and so um he also used to make read old newspapers because we didn’t have the current ones and that helped me develop my reading skills which I would say were like the best that I had when I was there.
L: So were you very close with your grandfather then?
V: Yes. He was like my…it was like he was my father because my father uh used to some to the United State so I never got to spend much time with him so I spent a lot of time with my grandfather, and we were very close. Um. Another thing was that I like my food really salty and so did he so when my grandmother used to go to the city he would say “I just want Violeta to cook my meals” and then you know because I would make it like they were like salty enough for me and they were perfect for him too so like he preferred for me to cook his meals than anyone else, so that was funny. Haha. And even though we as a females were restricted to a specific role, he didn’t try to make me stay within that role, you know, that was defined for me. Um like we were not allowed to ride horses and he would allow me to ride horses if I wanted to. And then um he would allow me to learn how to throw with a I don’t know what it’s called um it’s like a little um in Spanish we call it a hornda it’s like a little. It can be done with a piece of copper like that and it’s like you make like big rocks underneath it and then you just put a rock in the little thing and then you just swing it and then throw it. Um I don’t know what it’s called but yeah, so he would allow me to do that too. And I mean just things that boys would do that girls were not allowed to do he would allow me to do them. So that was a lot of fun and exciting haha.
L: When did you leave?
V: My parents brought me to the United States in…on September of 1995 so I was a little bit over 13 years old.
L: And, um why did you decide to leave?
V: Uh, my father felt that we would have a better life in the United States. He had been here and then he used to come without documents back and forth to California. He would work on the fields and then go back to Mexico and then he would come again and then go back, and come again and he was able to get his documents in 1986 with amnesty happened, and at that time he petitioned for us too. And finally at that time in 1995 we were approved and that’s when he brought us to the United States. It was basically his decision…he said, you know, we are going and that was it. So.
L: Why did you choose to travel to the US, or why did your father choose to travel to the US as opposed to somewhere else?
V: Um…because you know like he had already been coming so he already knew how it was going to work. He knew there was going to be jobs available for him and that he was going to be able to support us and probably provide a better life that the one we had in Mexico.
L: Um, when you travelled to the US, what form of transportation did you use? How did you get here?
V: Um we actually came by plane. It was the very first time I got on a plane so it was basically um we got on a plane in the state of Guanajuato, that’s where I’m from and we arrived in Chicago and then from there um we took a bus to….I don’t remember if it was Iowa City or Muscatin, Iowa where we came…
L: And then where did you officially settle?
V: We came and we lived in a very, very small town called Nichols, Iowa. I think it probably had a population of maybe 100 people maybe less. So it was very tiny.
L: Do you know why you moved there?
V: You know I really don’t know because um you would think that because my dad spent all of his time in California that he would take us to California but then shortly before he went to pick us up in Mexico he moved to Iowa. And I don’t know why he picked Iowa I don’t know why he picked Nichols, Iowa. I don’t, I don’t know.
L: How did you prepare for your trip…to leave what you had known your whole life?
V: Oh boy…um…you know I…the way I can tell you, the way I prepared. I was planning on running away with a boy so that I would not have to come to the United States because I didn’t want to come. I didn’t want to leave my hometown, my grandfather that I was really close to and all of my friends so I was planning on actually running away so that I would not have to come to the United States. But, um my father lied to us, I don’t know why because he told us we were going to leave two weeks later than we actually did. So I was planning on running away with a boy two weeks later and then my dad said “oh, we are leaving tomorrow or we are leaving today,” he said and my mom had already packed the little things that we had, and then I think that um my…one of my uncles hired a truck and so it’s like “get on the truck we are leaving.” And I’m like “WHAT? No! We are not leaving until 2 weeks.” But you know he said we are going to and you know what the whole family it was not a lot…we had very few things. Uh we used to have some goats and they sold them beforehand, we had some cows and they were sold, um some of the chickens were given away to family members and stuff like that so…that’s basically the preparation.
L: Let’s see…what was your impression of the United States before you moved here?
V: Um…you know, I don’t think um there was anything except you know that people used to be white, that they spoke very funny. We used to call it um like…we never heard somebody speak in English but because of what all the people would say, we would always say that you know “oh people always say that um American people speak, they speak kind of like when the dog barks. So you know that’s how it…that’s how we thought it sounded like. Not because we heard it but because other people would say that. And other than that…no. People would say that you know, the women were extremely pretty and that men were really tall and so that was about it. Other than that…nothing.
L: What was your impression when you first got here?
V: It was really um…strange not to see people that looked like, had my color haha so that was really—and I always thought that people were sooo skinny. You know I would see them like really tall and skinny and I was like oh you know people are so skinny and they are so tall and I wonder how they’re so tall. And you know like the language is like you know I never understood…I never though it sounded like the dog’s barking but I did not understand anything, anything. So that was very intimidating because I just looked at people and I was like “Que? Que?” but they never under stood what I was saying so…haha yeah it was bad.
L: How long did it take for you to learn English?
V: You know, I’m still learning haha. I think it’s a very…I think with any language you’re learning…I came in 1995 and I was actually placed into special education because at some point they didn’t have ESL teachers so since I didn’t understand exactly what was going on so they placed me into the special education. And then at the high school they did have like the ESL classes and that’s when I started learning more and more. They left me in ESL classes for a year and then they placed me on regular classes. I did struggle a lot but I had a lot of support from the teachers and it helped. I mean I didn’t understand everything but it was better and better, so.
L: Um, how has your impression changed over time…so how do you see the US differently now than you did when you first came here?
V: Now I um…you know when people say that the United States is the land of opportunities, like literally that’s what it is, that’s how I see it…because you know when you have the opportunities that you never had in your home country. I know that it’s a lot more difficult and different for people who do not have the legal documents but it’s still better. You are way better off here that they are in their main country, that’s why they are here. It’s definitely the land of opportunities.
L: Do you remember how you were treated upon arriving?
V: Like at the border or?
L: Yeah, anywhere along the way, whatever you can remember.
V: You know I remember when we came um at the airport we just had to go through immigration and they just checked our passports and we went through and that’s all I remember. And here you know, I think um everything was good until I started like understanding what people were saying and especially in high school, people used to make a lot of fun of me because of the accent I have, or had, and even more back then. Um and they used to always, especially you know like classmates. There were some of them that…you know teenagers and this and that so they used to tell me that immigration was going to come and pick me up because I was undocumented. And that I would never learn English and that I spoke really funny and that I should be embarrassed and not even try to do that so and because I was taken out of ESL right after a year, all of my other classmates remained in ESL and they stopped talking to me because they claimed that I felt that I was better than them which was not the case but they stopped talking to me. And those who were not in ESL did not talk to me because of my English, my bad English, so those were like some really lonely days and then with the bullying. I mean now you would call it bullying but at that time you would never call it bullying. But you know with all the other students making fun of me and I mean it was really, really hard. High school was very difficult for me. I was very lucky to have teachers that helped me through the whole process but it was difficult.
L: Have you noticed any similarities between, I guess what would be the ones that stand out the most…similarities and differences between your home country and the US?
V: Um…differences I will say you know like…you…you have like way more opportunities here and even though like women are still not equal, are not seen as equal in America…and here we still have a long way to go, but it is still better than it is back in Mexico. Um, similar things….you have the bullying going on in school, I mean there you had it too…there it was less but it still, you know it was there. And then you know, the inequality it’s still there and you know I say here it’s less but it’s still there too and you know lack of opportunities. There you don’t have opportunities there that you have here.
L: You say, you bring up the inequalities, um did you kind of maintain the typical gender roles when you moved here or did you kind of Americanize, I’ll say?
V: You know I don’t know, that’s something that probably my parents haha will be able to answer better but um I was not very traditional to begin with back home um…I was always trying to get out of my…the box where I was placed—I don’t know why haha. And here you know it just gave me the opportunity to do it more freely…like you were allowed to, not by your parents but by society. Like you know you, getting out of y our house without being married, here it is acceptable and there it’s like no, no, no, no, no. If you are not married you stay in your house with your parents so, yeah.
L: Did you have any goals, either family goals or personal goals in coming to America that you wanted to achieve?
V: No. No, Nothing. Um…when I was in Mexico I always wanted to go to school and my parents, well my dad, because you know my dad was the one that was making the decision and then my mom would say, “yes of course as you say.” So um but my dad said that I could not continue going to school so after I finished 6th grade that was, that was it. And he said no and I mean I always wanted to do that and when I came here my goal was to go back to Mexico. I mean the first opportunity I wanted to go back to Mexico. But as time went by I realized that this country was giving me the opportunities that I always wanted and that Mexico did not offer to me and that it was a waste of um a waste of time and a waste of everything if I didn’t take advantage of them, and I kind of like changed um my way of thinking and I say you know I always wanted to go to school in Mexico and I never had the opportunity. Here I have to opportunity and I’m taking it. So that’s when I started paying good attention in school and getting good grades and thinking I’m going to go to college even though I had no support from my family. They always said “you’re a woman, You will never do it.” Or like my dad will say “you are stupid, college is for smart people and you are not.” So things like that and you know I always figured that education was gonna be the only…you know I was not only gonna fulfill my dream of going to school but also it was gonna be a door to my freedom. Uh, I know that I didn’t want to have the same lifestyle my mom did. I knew that I didn’t want to get married at a very young age. I knew that I would never stand someone like my father to be my husband and so I figured—and you know I didn’t want to be living with my family because I felt so oppressed by my father. You know saying you cannot do this, you cannot do that, you have to o things this way that I figured if I go to school, and I go to college I’m going to fulfill my dream of getting an education and at the same time I’m gonna be free.
L: How did you, um, carry on with your education after high school?
V: I got a lot a lot of support from some of my high school teachers, and my ESL teacher, she helped me so much and then my um Ag teacher, the one from agriculture, I mean he did great things I mean just like super helping me with my English and telling me that I could do a lot of things that I never thought I could, like public speaking and all that stuff. So, they talked to me about college and they said you should visit these schools and this and that. And, I finally decided to go to Iowa State and my Ag teaher helped me a lot, I mean everybody did, my ESL teacher, my AG teacher, the lady the used to clean the schools because I worked with her for a while so she was very supportive and she helped me a lot through everything, just be listening. Or something that I didn’t understand she would explain to me and just telling me, yes you can do it. I mean we are here to help you and yes, you are going to be able to do it. I was very fortunate to have people like them.
L: Can you describe your experiences at Iowa State?
V: …..I will say that Iowa State, like the five years I spent at Iowa State were the best five years of my life so far because I was able to find myself, I was able appreciate who I am. I mean because of the students that I had in high school with the bullying and all that, I was very embarrassed by the color of my skin. I was completely like I hated the fact that I had an accent when I spoke English and I didn’t want to speak Spanish, I just wanted to forget it and actually assimilate into this culture so that I would be accepted and have a better life. But when I went to Iowa State, they started teaching me that I should appreciate me for who I am. That the fact that I spoke Spanish was an asset instead of a liability, like the way I saw it. And that I should be proud of who I was, so then I decided to look into that and I see that you know they are right…I shouldn’t be embarrassed of the accent that I have when I speak English because you know it reminds me of you know where I come from. Just like my native language but the fact that I learn English it’s a reminder that I will get ahead someday. And then at that time you know like it changed. Instead of being embarrassed because of the color of my skin and they fact that I spoke Spanish. I was embarrassed because my writing in Spanish wasn’t so good and I was thinking, oh my god, my writing in English is so much better than my writing in Spanish and so I decided to take some steps to correct that and I did some study abroad in Costa Rica to better my writing in Spanish. But I mean it was just, it really was just awesome. My time at Iowa State was just great. If I could go back I would definitely go back. I mean don’t get me wrong, I love the fact that I’m going to go to Drake and I’m getting the opportunity to get my masters here, but I love Iowa State hahaha.
L: And then, what are your experiences at Drake like, as a student?
V: It’s different. Um, it’s easier…not because things are easier, but because I do not have the language barrier anymore. When I was at Iowa State, I have been in this country for 5 years so my English wasn’t that great and I struggled a lot through my classes, and I didn’t get the grades that I wanted to get, but it was not so much—I always felt that I was not smart enough and that’s why I was not getting good grades. I never though you know that it was the language barrier that was limiting me. And now being her at Drake and doing the work the way I’m supposed to, and getting the grades that I’m getting um, it proves to me that it was the language and it wasn’t me which is very fulfilling to see that it is the language and it is not me. To see that it was my language barrier.
L: And then throughout your life you’ve held quite a few jobs, can you describe them to me?
V: Yes. Um, man, that was a lot haha. I started working the summer after we came here, so I was barely 14. I started working on the fields, picking up watermelon and cantaloupes. So I did that 2 summers and then I worked at a pharmacy in town and there I made the coffee because that’s as much as I knew how to make haha, and then I worked um cleaning the schools after school, I got a job doing that. And then I worked cleaning tables at a restaurant and then after that I worked at a slaughter house and then I moved on, I went to Iowa State. And then I worked in the cafeteria, and then after that I got a job tutoring kindergarten students in Spanish, in Ames community schools. And then after that I got a job at a daycare teaching little kids Spanish. And then I became a resident assistant for the George Carver Scholarship at Iowa State, so I did that and then I graduated and I became a quality assurance auditor. And after that I quit my job and I helped a community that was in crisis after an immigration raid. There. I mean I didn’t have an official title, I just did…you name it, I did it. And that’s when I changed my um direction like my field of interest from something within agriculture to the legal field. And then I got a job here in Des Moines as program coordinator for a legal program, and then I was also a sexual, um sexual abuse and domestic violence advocate in that time. And I did that and then I became a legal assistant here at the legal clinic. So, I’ve had quite a few haha.
L: Haha. Can you elaborate on the volunteer work you did after the immigration raid?
V: Yes. Basically, um, when I was working at the slaughter house, that’s where the raid took place. I mean I was not working on the floor, I was a quality assurance auditor for an outside contractor, and I used to be on site just to make sure that the product was done properly, And so basically you know the raid took place, it was very…I will say it was very traumatic. And just seeing everything and basically seeing all of the people being taken away I mean it was just really bad. It kind of brought memories to me from when I was around 7 years old. At that time I had a sibling that died. He was six months old and he died while I was holding him. And then at that time I mean I was just a kid, and I didn’t understand…now I understand that but now I do. But I couldn’t do anything and we were in the middle of nowhere. There were no doctors, there was nothing so basically like while I was holding him he died and I couldn’t do anything and I always blamed myself for that because I didn’t do anything about it. So throughout my entire life um I always felt that it was my fault and you know like every time my father would spank me, every time my father would make me feel you know like shit you know like I was worthless or you know like my mom did not defend me from what my dad used to do, um like the spanking and all that I always felt that they feel the exact same way I feel. They feel that it’s my fault that he died because I didn’t do anything about it and I felt frustrated. And while the raid was taking place, you know that same feeling of helplessness like not being able to do anything, I had the exact same feeling. And I almost fainted, I think because of all of the memories that was bringing back and all that. So finally I remember getting up and I said, “I’m not a little kid anymore.” When my brother died I couldn’t do anything about it but now I can do something about it. So I quit my job and then I went to the church and I said here I am I am waiting to help, I am going to volunteer here. And I did that, I mean um getting kids from the school back with their parents or trying to get people out of immigration and I mean just…it was…very bad. I mean just so many things going on at once and me trying to help. And eventually the church hired me and I was in charge of helping all the women that were left with the GPS device on their foot. And also, there were a group of minor working at the slaughter house so they were left behind…just like assisting them with anything they needed, assisting them with their immigration officer, assisting with attorneys and all that and just translating and just listening to them. And then there was like a very small group of um kids that had turned 18 like a month, or a few weeks, or a few days before the raid and they were taken into custody and they were charged and they were taken to prison so eventually when the state decided to press charges against the company for hiring minors they searched for these kids in different prisons throughout the United States and they decided to bring them back so um we had uh the state attorneys in Des Moines doing all of the work and I was in Post Field communicating with the families and doing this and all that. I mean those were days when I think I was getting, I don’t know, maybe 2 hours of sleep at night. But I didn’t care because the way I looked at it for me it is a few hours of sleep that I’m missing but for these kids it’s their entire life, so I did that and I got really, really close to those kids and I guess just used to all of them. And I did a lot and we started doing a lot of immigration paperwork so I helped with that. I worked with the criminal attorneys on defending them too. And I worked with the state defenders impacting and contacting the kids so that they could talk to them. And then I worked with immigration officials just to make sure the kids were there and that they were doing what they’re supposed to be doing. And you know, driving them to Omaha or to Cedar Rapids whenever they had an appointment with the officer and…let’s see…different agencies that were investigating the crimes that took place, I was the one contacting the kids, contacting the women, contacting the men so they would talk to these people. So it was, it was a lot of work but I think it was worth it.
L: And that’s what got you interested in law?
V: Yes, hahaha. Yes.
L: How often do you visit Mexico?
V: Um you know I don’t have like a set like I’m not gonna tell you every year or every other year…it’s just whenever. I mean I still have my grandparents in Mexico so I used to try to go ever year or every other year to visit them and then I just stopped when my paternal grandparents moved to Iowa. And you know I was really close to them so then I was able to see them here, especially to my grandfather. And not that they went back um I will try to go more often and also because I married someone from Mexico and his entire family is in Mexico then we will probably go and visit them. Um I went on November of 2011. No…I’m lying, it was November of 2013. Yes, November of 2013, that’s the last time I went to Mexico.
L: And then how has it changed since you’ve been there?
V: It has changed a lot. You’d be really surprised. There are roads. Now there is electricity. They still don’t have running water but they have electricity, um, especially when it comes to females and what they are allowed to do. Now they are basically allowed to do anything. I mean just like the way they dress up. I mean we were required to wear dresses all the time and they had to be below your knee. You would be like fully covered, I mean like this, what I’m wearing right now would be too revealing. It would be like up to here [the neckline] and sleeves up to your elbow. I mean like now you see that females wear really tight pants, like spaghetti strap shirts and all that, so a lot of makeup and hair coloring that you didn’t see before, so it’s very different hahaha then when I was there, which is good.
L: Um, did anyone else from your family that moved over here with you stay in the US or did they move back?
V: No, all of my siblings are here. I have 3 brothers and 1 sister. My sister was born in the United States but my 3 brothers are still here um they are married and then live close to where my father, where my family lives…my mother and dad live.
L: So you’re all in Iowa?
V: Yes, hahah.
L: do you still practice any cultural tradition from Mexico?
V: We do, um for example, like Mother’s Day in the United States, it’s the second Sunday of May all the time, so it’s always on a Sunday, and in Mexico it’s always May 10th regardless of the day so we do that. And then um for example for Christmas we still do the traditional meals that we would do in Mexico so like the tamales, and the punch and stuff like that and same thing for New Year’s too. But then we also celebrate you know like the 4th of July and we do you the typical American food for the 4th of July, we don’t do like the Mexican type stuff hahah. So, yeah.
L: So on an average day, do you tend to eat more American or Mexican?
V: I will say it depends. It depends on the d. If it’s a day like today when I’m going to go to school, when I am going to go to classed at the end of the day, it’s more American because I can go and grab something. If I’m at home it’s more…I don’t know if it’s really Mexican um I guess I have moved kind of into the middle. I mean I so still like to cook my own meals and I try to keep it very basic but yeah I would say it’s kind of like in the middle haha.
L: Do you think—oh I guess you answered that—oh, what changes in your lifestyle have you made since coming here? Or did you stick to your roots?
V: there are some things that I changed and other things that I think even if I wanted to change them I would not be able to. One of the things is that when I was living in Mexico you had to respect your father and you mother no matter what they did to you. Even if they were like really mean to you, you would have to respect them and love them and this and that, so. I think I kept that because even though my father and I are not getting along and he has done some really bad things, I still feel the same kind of respect and I’m still grateful to him for bringing us to the United States. I know that he probably regrets it and if he had the opportunity to do things I’m sure he would not do it but you know I’m very grateful to him for that. But at the same time, I’m not willing to allow others to walk all over me. I mean as a female from Mexico, especially from the area where I come from, you have no voice, you have no vote. It’s like when you are single, your father makes the decisions for you, or your oldest brother makes the decisions for you. You don’t get to decide for yourself. And then you get married and then you don’t get to decide for yourself, your husband decides for you. And now, I make my own decisions and if my father doesn’t like then he can…deal with it. And same thing with my husband, if he doesn’t like it he just has to deal with it hahah. But he’s very open minded, thankfully.
L: Do you think that you will teach children or future children Spanish and have them be bilingual as well?
V: Yes. When I was in high school, the answer would have been very different. But now, yes. I actually have a child already and he is going to learn Spanish first. I mean I do both but I want to make sure that he gets Spanish like a lot of his Spanish because if he goes to school it’s gonna be mainly English and when he goes to different places it’s gonna be English. And I don’t think he is going to have a s much opportunity to learn Spanish when he gets older, that’s why you know I want to make sure that now he does his Spanish first and then English would be like his secondary language. I mean I do both but I have to admit that I do more Spanish that English. Um but for example if I’m cooking and I bring him in his car seat and place him close to where I am, and I am grabbing something I’ll just go like…for example, the spoon I’ll go like “cuchara, spoon, cuchara, spoon” and he just looks at me like hahah. But you know I do the same thing or when I show him his fingers and we count I’ll do in Spanish and then in English. You know, same thing I’ll do like “therdo, finger, therdo, finger.” So I want him to grow up and I want him to learn another language but I don’t want him to be learning English or Spanish because I want him to have those already and then he can pick a different language that he wants to learn.
L: Where do you see yourself in five years?
V: Hopefully in law school, hahah. Um I um that’s one of my long term plans, to try to get into law school. Hopefully being in law school.
L: What kind of law do you want to study?
V: Um immigration hahah. I think immigration and civil. Those would be great.
L: Where do you plan to go with it? Do you plan to move, do you plan to stay?
V: No, I plan to stay here and hopefully go to Drake.
L: Whenever you want to take a break be sure to let me know.
V: Okay, what time is it?
L: it’s 5:20.
V: Okay, maybe we can stop here and I we can finish later that way I can run to get something to eat before class.
L: Yes absolutely.
V: And if you have any more questions you should always let me know.
L: Okay, perfect. And you don’t have any follow up thoughts? Nothing on the top of your brain that you want to get out?
V: Not right now, but let me think…later on maybe I will. Maybe not, who knows? Hahah.